#Generations: Iron Man & IronHeart (2017)
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petrerpkr · 3 months ago
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marvel comics I recommend for beginners
X-men
X men(2010- 2024)
Uncanny x men (2012-2024)
X men blue (2017-2018)
Generation X
All-New Wolverine(2016-2018)
(laura as wolverine)
Wolverine and the x men (2011-2014)
All-New X-Men(2013-2017)
X-Men Red (2018-2024)
Uncanny X-Force(2010-2014)
Wolverine and Jubilee (2011)
X-Men Origins - Wolverine(2009)
X-Men Origins - Jean Grey(2008)
X-Men Origins - Emma Frost(2010)
X-Men Origins - Cyclops(2010)
Wolverine the Origin(2001)
Spider-Man & other spidey's
Amazing Spider-Man Or start here
Ultimate Comics Spider-Man (2012-2013)
Miles Morales spider-man (2014-2015)
Miles Morales spider-man (2019-2024)
Silk
Spider-Men(2012)
Spider-gwen (2015-2018)
Ghost-spider (2019-2020)
Spider-Man/Deadpool
Avengers and friends
Young Avengers Vol. 2 #1 (2013)
Avengers (2012-2024)
Uncanny Avengers(2012-2014)
Westcoast Avengers (2018-2019)
Captain America: Sam Wilson(2015-2017)
Black Widow(2010-2022)
Invincible Iron Man(2015-2017)
Ironheart (2019-2020)
Hawkeye(2012-2015)
Hawkeye freefall(2020)
Avengers Origins: Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver (2012)
Scarlet Witch (2016-2024)
Ect
The Unbelievable Gwenpool (2016-2018)
The Unworthy Thor(2016)
Totally Awesome Hulk(2016-2017)
Ms. Marvel(2014-2018)
Moon Knight(2014-2024)
Runaways(2017-2021)
Reading order here for more In depth list
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deke-abed-spencer · 6 years ago
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So there's an IronHeart book where Tony is 126 and the Sorcerer Supreme. He's got the Cloak of Levitation and the Eye of Agamoto. And all the Avengers kids' kids or whatever are running around and apparently Riri married a Black Panther one day. Idk if it's T'Challa or not because in current day, Riri is a teen. But they long since been defeated Thanos.
But no matter what anyone says. No matter what the book says. No one will EVER convince me that anyone other than Stephen taught Tony the mystic arts. And not just because I 100% ship IronStrange. It's because we all know that the Cloak is picky and stubborn. It ain't gonna leave Stephen just for anybody. The only person it would deem worthy would be someone taught by Stephen. And we know it likes Tony at least a little cause when Pete goes "if you think about it it's technically your fault-" the Cloak looks at him like 'Oh! No, you didn't! Shit bout to go down!'
[Generations: Iron Man & IronHeart (2017) #1]
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tincanmans · 2 years ago
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Riri Williams aka Ironheart Reading Order
This is just a list of her relatively major appearances. For an overview of all of them, look here.
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First appearance: Invincible Iron Man (2015) #7
Invincible Iron Man (2015) #9-12
First solo: Invincible Iron Man (2016)
Infamous Iron Man (2016) #6, #8-9
First team: Champions (2016)
Marvel Legacy (2017)
Generations: Iron Man & Ironheart (2017)
Secret Empire: Uprising (2017)
Ironheart (2018)
Champions (2019)
2020 Ironheart (2020)
Outlawed (2020)
Champions (2020)
Upcoming
Avengers Unlimited (2022) #7-?
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renaramblesaboutcomics · 7 years ago
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Wednesday Roundup 6.9.2017
Here we are with a fairly straightforward week! I know, I’m surprised by my restraint, too! Who could have imagined I’d ever manage a week with less than five comics. My wallet definitely would appreciate if I did so more often. 
Regardless, let’s get right into the bones I have to pick. With one of these entries. Because it’s a bone and a half. And I use a lot of UPPERCASE so uhhh Guess which one gets that treatment!!!
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Marvel’s Generations: Iron Man & Ironheart, Dark Horse’s Usagi Yojimbo, DC’s Wonder Girl: Adventures of a Teen Titan
Marvel’s Generations: Iron Man & Ironheart (2017) #1 Brian Michael Bendis, Marco Rudy,Szymon Kudranski, Nico Leon
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Whooooooooo boy. It’s been a long time since I picked up a new comic at release date and just.... did not have a pleasant experience reading it. Like at all. So this was kind of a disappointing conclusion to what has for the last year been a pretty solid record of maintaining great comic book readership. I don’t know why I’m even a little surprised it’s a Bendis comic.
Here’s the thing, I don’t... aggressively hate BMB as others do. I’m just critical of him on what I feel are pretty logical issues to be critical of someone on and in turn that leads to this dagger’s edge of when his comics are good, they’re really damn good. But when they’re bad? It’s like this collision of all the things in comics possible that work as my personal pet peeves. Which is why, though I genuinely adore Riri Williams as a character, and had been enjoying her book, I moved it to a trade wait status right along with Miles Morales: Spider-Man -- it’s easier to take the good with the bad when it’s not an issue by issue basis. 
And... well. Let’s just say that for being THE guy at Marvel who usually gets all the very best talent to lift up even most of his comics I didn’t personally enjoy? There was not that saving grace this time around. Believe you me. I wish there were. But let’s just jump into the details.
Story: TONY STARK AS THE SORCERER SUPREME. TONY. STARK. SORCERER. SUPREME. Who asked for this. Who wanted this. Who thinks this future makes absolutely any sense whatsoever other than calling what everyone has thought since Tony “died” in Civil War II which is that Marvel doesn’t have the actual guts it takes to permanently kill off a franchise character that isn’t the original Jean Grey? Who thought this was a good idea? Bendis. Basically because Bendis likes to pretend he’s doing Morrison-style shake ups of continuity and bringing things together but rarely delivers it in a way that is either consistent or satisfying. 
The one reason I’ve been giving a good number of these Generations books a chance isn’t because I’m particularly interested in the event itself. Truth be told I have absolutely no idea why it’s happening or why Laura was sent back through time to meet up with Logan in Japan or just... anything. I didn’t catch a single clue of what was going on. And I didn’t really care because I’ve read comics long enough that I just want the issues themselves that center around the characters I care about to make sense and be enjoyable on their own. That, for me, is the most valuable part of an experience comics can grant me. And when it doesn’t, I would hope that at the very least it would be because they were providing me some insight on the event as a whole because it was substituting characterization and plot for the Event. Which happens. 
This comic managed to not only provide neither of those things for me, I would argue that it made me unerstand less about the event and less about Bendis’ own characterizations for Riri and Tony than I had a handle on before. Which is... frankly impressive. Also... what a fucking bland future. Like I appreciate it not being a nightmare dystopia like every other comic book future, ESPECIALLY at Marvel, but..... damn, man. There was exactly no life in the city of mushrooms and LSD of tomorrow. Apparently the only inhabitants of a positive future are.... oh my god I can’t believe I have to type it again, Sorcerer Supreme Tony Stark, and the blandest version of the future Avengers I think I’ve ever seen. Like at that point why even bother. 
Oh and adult Franklin Richards is special. Shocking. YES. FRANKLIN IS AN OMEGA LEVEL MUTANT BUT WHY WOULD STARK GO TO HIM TO FIX TIME TRAVEL SHENANIGANS WHEN IT’S VALERIA WHO IS THE SUPER GENIUS AND WAS THE ONE IN THE PAST RUNS OF FF THAT INVOLVED FUTURE FRANKLIN TIME TRAVELING WHO CREATED THE TECHNOLOGY FOR HIM TO DO SO. BENDIS HAVE YOU NOT BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THE FF FOR THE PAST TWO DECADES OR SOMETHING WHAT THE HELL. Moving on... 
Art: One thing I can usually always count on with Marvel is that they love to match their best artists with the leading talents they have writing, and there’s no one shaping the entirety of the Marvel Universe right now more than Bendis, so usually the art for his comics is easily some of the best to come out in any given week.
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That’s not.... really the case here??? Is it terrible, no not at all. And there’s definitely nice sequences. The problem arises from the page layouts which, ngl, utterly awful. There were multiple pages in a row where I had to reread the whole page again just so I could follow the dialogue. It was not easy to follow from one panel to the next, and the psychodellic affects just made me wish for 70s comics. Back when they had rulers. 
Characters & Dialogue: Sorcerer. Supreme. Tony. Freaking. Stark. No I’m not over it. Especially since this entire issue was more dedicated to beefing up how awesome and amazing Tony is. Riri’s fine, but her biggest part in this issue is to be Tony’s fan and to learn that she’ll be awesome!!!... in the future. She’s only 15 now! She’ll have to grow up into a more prominent hero in the next 45 real world years. But mostly it was... just really lazy. What’s interested me about Generations is that it’s given an excuse for Legacy characters to team up across timelines with versions of their predecessors that in all honesty would have not made sense in other context. What was great about the Wolverine issue I covered before wasn’t just that we got to see Logan and Laura the way we had back when Logan was alive. We got to see Laura with a version of her father that she had never met before. And to make it even more unique, it was viewing this older, more matured Laura almost entirely through the eyes of the father who didn’t yet know her. It was creative and it added depth for both characters even if it’s not going to be the source of some great shift in the main comics for them, it provides a refreshing look into who they are and even how far they’ve come. This issue? Honestly I can’t even tell you what Bendis’ goal was here. And that cover -- the name of the issue? -- the idea we’d get to see Iron Man and Ironheart team up together and kick ass is apparently just too predictable and lame for an event that is literally advertised as being that exact premise. 
I’m so annoyed with this comic. But I’m really more annoyed with myself for expecting something more interesting and paying Marvel’s outrageous and nearly unethical price gouging of their comics. $4.99 for this comic. I’m never getting that $4.99 back. That’s... That’s like five bags of chips from the vending machine at work. That’s a Hot & Ready pizza at Little Ceaser’s. I spent it on this comic. What’s wrong with me. What did I expect???
Dark Horse’s Usagi Yojimbo (1984-present) #161 Stan Sakai, Tom Luth
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Why are the best comics always the most difficult to explain in quality? This thing has been going on for thirty years, has never changed writer or artist, has impressed by the hundreds of thousands, and drastically impacted the atmosphere and tone of comics publishing since the 80s right alongside Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, all without truly getting due credit. I would tell anyone who asked to just immediately drop what they’re reading and go catch up on Usagi, but it feels like that should go without saying. 
Instead I’ll say, this issue is the first of a new arc and since you can jump into Usagi Yojimbo comics at any point in continuity and be assured to have a good time and pick up what you need to know along the way, pick up today’s issue and get started.
Story: We see the collision of a few of Usagi’s favorite supporting casts and as always it leads to a lot of ruckus and a lot of fun. Though not specifically fun for Kitsune this time around as she’s been seemingly framed for murder. Fortunately Usagi comes in to vouch for her and due to Ishida’s immense respect for Usagi earned over the years Kitsune gets off relatively lighter than usual. But there’s still a murderer about. 
Now one of my compliments to Usagi Yojimbo and really the genius of Stan Sakai in general is that he’s maintained a high quality solo comic for over thirty years and somehow still makes new stories always keeping hot takes and ideas for characters refreshingly new and refreshingly fun. That remains true of this story, too, since this match up of supporting characters hasn’t exactly been seen yet, but at the same time I’m suspicious of the retread of the idea of Kitsune being framed for a crime other than the one she really did and Usagi having to figure out the mystery. I don’t expect that plot to be repeated beat for beat, especially since Inspector Ishida is here and that almost always develops into a more thickly plotted mystery story. So part of me talking up all that flowery wording on my adoration of these comics is to explain why, despite my usual instincts to be distrusting of a repetitive plot beat in comics, I know to expect more from the upcoming issue continuation and don’t have that fear of disappointment that has been instilled in me for the past two decades. 
Also new to the comic is the addition of a one page sub-story at the end of Chibi Usagi which might be the most adorable idea ever and Stan Sakai truly is the hero we don’t deserve. 
Art: I once read a comic reviewer’s explanation of Usagi Yojimbo’s art as being “deceptively simple” -- the bold lines, the character designs, the adherence to a completely black and white comic -- what is seemingly such a simple comic in theory dazzles with its true complexity and tight control of action sequences and blocking. Stan Sakai uses Japanese patterns and crosshatching as well as detailed background art to turn almost every sequence into an unmistakable landmark that makes every town and prefecture that Usagi travels to feel unique. 
It’s just one of those amazing things you have to see for yourself to truly believe. 
Characters & Dialogue: This section is pretty much purposeless on an Usagi Yojimbo comic because Sakai has been writing these characters so long and giving them all such identifiable traits and voices that they’re just always good. If you enjoy these characters then Sakai meets every heightened expectation along the way.
DC’s Wonder Girl: Adventures of a Teen Titan  John Byrne, Bob Kanigher, Bruno Premiani, Neal Adams, Ross Andru, Bob Haney
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One thing I have liked recently that DC’s been doing is these recollections of their properties that for a long time they haven’t capitalized on the most, and there’s probably no better example of that exact thing than the severely underrated Wonder Girl Legacy, which has finally earned a short and cute collection going over all the (three) Wonder Girls over the years and even includes the introduction of SOLSTICE! One of my favorite underutilized characters. 
It’s a super neat collection, especially if you’re unfamiliar with the history of Wonder Girl (which is a bumpy ride to be sure) but it also spans so many generations and so many writers and story arcs that I can’t really summarize it the way I do my usual reviews. I can just say that if you’re curious about the Wonder Girls, it’s a great collection to check out. 
Also as a side note, as someone who was deeply disappointed by the lackluster to downright confused and insulting use of Cassie Sandsmark in the New52, DC is apparently doctoring the character to resemble more of what she was in the preboot because the New52 is utterly ignored in this collection, hilariously enough.
Oh, those tides. How they turn. 
The unsurprising pick of the week is, obviously, Usagi Yojimbo. It’s one of the best comics ever made, it continues to be one of the best comics ever made, and also the competition was thin if only I’m being lenient. But regardless, this comic was a fantastic start to the new storyline and I’m so excited to see what twists and turns shall be weaved. 
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Now that’s all for this week, but I’m curious about your opinions! Did you agree with me? Disagree? Think I missed out on some great comic I didn’t pick up? Please let me know!
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god-hunter · 7 years ago
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Generations: Iron Man & Ironheart #1
This was a good issue.  And it made sense of something Riri said in Invincible Iron Man #10 actually.
If you read that, Riri mentions something about having seen the Future.  Which confuses and ticks off Tony A.I.
Well.  This journey through the “Vanishing Point” explains how Riri was able to do that.
To those not in the know.  The “Vanishing Point” is basically this reality created by the Cosmic Cube, a.k.a Kobik, where people can go on a journey or have an experience where time doesn’t exist.
That means, anything going on in the real-world won’t get affected or change at all.  Anything happening here apparently happens in a second in the real world. Just to be clear.
At the end of Secret Empire, a select few heroes receive this “gift” from Kobik to experience a journey of self-discovery and then return back to our world renewed and rejuvenated.  Bla blah.  Let’s get on with it.
Riri goes to the future and talks to Tony Stark in this one.  And it’s pretty cool.
[SPOILERS]
So really quick, I want to tell you what the cool things are.
1. Her armor stops working and she is truly lost as she barely lands to safety
2. The future is Super Clean and quite colorful.  Think Spider-man 2099 meets Avatar.
3. She meets the Future Avengers and they immediately recognize her as a young Riri Williams by name.
4.  She talks to 126 year old Sorcerer Supreme Stark who has cute little Iron Man drones of his own.
5. He fixes or "repowers" even, upgrades her armor with magic.
6. Alien Plant life cleaned the pollution in our atmosphere, like a water filter.  [Their example is an Ocean Sand sifter]
7.  They stumble on Morgan Le Fay, who is at war with them. [Every time Bendis goes to the future, he hints that Morgan Le Fay took over or attempted to overthrow the world with her monsters again and again.  We've seen this in X-Men AND Avengers I believe.]
8. Sorcerer Stark handles it quickly and easily with no fuss. Just a gem or something that was so powerful it made her retreat. [Kinda like Kryptonite]
9. Last, he takes her to Franklin Richards who is all grown up and cooler than Dad.
10. As they talk about getting her home with a time machine she realizes that this entire journey was some sort of lesson to inspire her to build, create and do more. It also slips out that she becomes a Doctor and is well known throughout the Galaxy.
11.  She eventually fades from the future time to our present day.  Tony’s A.I is curious where she’s been and what she’s seen, but she doesn’t let on.  Then she goes ahead and builds one of those little Iron Man drones that she saw in the future.  Sounds like a paradoxical destiny in the making.
-Never... The End.-
Cute.
Next:
The Search for Tony Stark.  I’m looking forward to that.
But first, there’s at least one more issue of Invincible Iron Man #11, before it goes back to the original numbering.
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claudeleine · 4 years ago
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oh id love some starting points if ur offering.....<3
for sure! i’m gonna preface this with i’m prioritizing characterization over plot lmaooo. this order might seem chaotic but...the resident tony stans approved so!!! 
invincible iron man (2015 & 2016) 
generations: iron man  & ironheart (2017) 
iron man: demon in a bottle (1968)
iron man (1968) #169-182 
iron man: extremis (2004) 
iron man: execute program 
iron man: director of shield (2007) 
iron man (1998) #1-25 
the confession (i was told to remove this but i can’t, read if u wanna cry)
fatal frontier 
all new all different avengers 
tony stark: iron man (2018) #1-12
*avoid both civil wars at all costs except for the tie-ins<3 also don’t read whatever his current run is<3 also check out  @starkrhodes rhodeytony guide <3
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arctimon · 4 years ago
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As Karmi (seemingly) comes back into the picture, I want to bring up something that I wrote about many, many moons ago in regards to Karmi, and that is the theory that I have regarding her character. You can read it here: https://www.deviantart.com/arctimon/journal/Karmi-s-Retribution-773563459
For those of you who don’t want to go to DeviantArt and see the journal that got the format upended by the layout change, here’s the “short” of it. Karmi, for a while, has been a mystery.  She still is, in some facets.  But I know that when she was introduced into the show, there was an air about her.  Something that I couldn’t quite place.
So I did a little digging. There’s a comic series called “Marvel Generations”, where a few superheroes went back in time to meet their past counterparts.  Long story.  But there were issues that had Ironheart (Riri Williams) and Iron Man, Amadeus Cho and Bruce Banner, and several others. One of them was Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel.
In said story, Kamala gets whisked away to the past, and in a hurry, realizes that she has to change out of her costume.  So she goes into a clothing store, and after an exchange, walks out like this:
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And yes, the skirt’s longer, and the scarf and glasses are addons, but doesn’t that outfit seem familiar? Really familiar?
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And when did this particular issue of Generations come out?  September 20th, 2017.  A mere two months before “Baymax Returns” would air. Karmi’s background and life haven’t been revealed in full, but I have a feeling that we already know her last name.  And the reason is because her last name (and what it would mean) would overshadow the main characters of the show. Her name follows the naming convention of other original characters in Season 1, as well. Grace Granville. Trevor Trengrove. Wendy Wower. Karmi. Khan. Her last name is Khan. And it’s my belief that she is this universe’s version of Kamala Khan. Because let’s face it, there’s only two people in Marvel properties that are teenage, Pakistani-American, superhero-fantasizing, fanfiction-writing girls who kick butt and take names. One of them is Kamala Khan and has the username of “SlothBaby”. The other one is names “KHeartsQT”... and just came back into the fold in the show. I’ve had a number of crazy theories in the past (and some of them were merely spitballing), but I am 1000% confident that Khan is her last name. Now whether they actually get into that on the show...who knows?  It will depend on whether they decide to have her parents show up or go into her background and any number of things. But you can’t have a last-name shipping name without two last names.  Karmiro is fine, but what about those? Khamada?  Hamadhan?
...I think I like the first one better.
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moontours · 4 years ago
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do you perhaps have any good riri comic recs/reading guides?
i couldn’t find a guide but here’s my recommended reading for riri (omfg say that 10x fast)
invincible iron man (2015) #7, 9-12, 14
invincible iron man (2016)
champions (2016) #11, 16-27 — i would recommend the whole run though it’s really good
ironheart (2018)
champions (2019)
outlawed (2020)
2020 ironheart
champions (2020)
and some other readings if you’d like:
civil war ii — i would Not suggest reading this but. shes in it 
secret empire uprising + secret empire (2017) — i always hesitate to put this on any list because it’s not the best run, but she is this too
generations: iron man & ironheart
unstoppable wasp (2018) #2 + #7 — not huge appearances but cute and fun
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Generations: Iron Man & Ironheart 1 (2017) by Skan
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ao3feed-harleykeener · 5 years ago
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by Isapunk
Danny didn't like how the team treated him differently since he was younger then them. Everything changed when he bumped into a certain set of teenage vigilantes going by the names of Spider-Man and ironlad. Everything will change for Danny, for the better of his mental health. Or is it?
Aka Danny hanging out/meeting the stark kids.
Words: 1659, Chapters: 2/?, Language: English
Fandoms: The Defenders (Marvel TV), Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017), Iron Man (Movies), The Avengers (Marvel Movies), Daredevil (TV), Iron Fist (TV), Jessica Jones (TV), Luke Cage (TV), Ironheart (Comics), Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018), Spider-Woman (Comic), Younge Avengers (Comics)
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Major Character Death, No Archive Warnings Apply
Categories: Gen, Other
Characters: Danny Rand, Peter Parker, Gwen Stacy, Riri Williams, Miles Morales, Jessica Drew, Harley Keener, Tony Stark, Pepper Potts, Happy Hogan, Matt Murdock, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Vision (Marvel), Peter B. Parker (mentioned), Peni Parker (mentioned)
Relationships: Peter Parker & Harley Keener, Peter Parker & Tony Stark, Peter Parker & Danny Rand, Peter Parker & Jessica Jones, Peter Parker & Matt Murdock, Peter Parker & Luke Cage, Peter Parker & Jessica Drew, Peter Parker & Gwen Stacy, Peter Parker & Miles Morales, Peter Parker & Riri Williams, Harley Keener & Tony Stark, Harley Keener & Danny Rand, Harley Keener & Jessica Drew, Harley Keener & Gwen Stacy, Harley Keener & Miles Morales, Harley Keener & Riri Williams, Tony Stark & Danny Rand, tony stark & jessica drew, Tony Stark & Matt Murdock, Tony Stark & Gwen Stacy, Tony Stark & Miles Morales, Tony Stark & Riri Williams, Gwen Stacy & Miles Morales, Gwen Stacy & Jessica Drew, Gwen Stacy & Danny Rand, Gwen Stacy & Riri Williams, Danny Rand/Matt Murdock (Briefly Mentioned)
Additional Tags: Irondad, Superfamily, spiderson, Tony Stark Has A Heart, Iron Family, young avengers - Freeform, The Defenders - Freeform, Avengers - Freeform, Spoilers For Marvel Netflix Shows, Endgame and Infinity War Don’t Exist, Danny Needs a Hug, Bad Writing, Team IronMan, Tony Stark and his Science Sons, Ironlad - Freeform, Ironheart, Spider-woman - Freeform, spider-gwen, Amazing Spider-Man, A.I Tony Stark, Peter Parker & Harley Keener are Brothers
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shirlleycoyle · 3 years ago
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It’s Impossible To Make Money for Most Writers and Artists in Comics
Comic books—and the characters that inhabit their pages—have never been more mainstream, but the writers and artists who work in comics say it's way too hard to make a living in the industry.
Last week, some of the biggest names in comics announced that they were making a deal with Substack to publish original works on the platform. Batman writer James Tynion IV said in the inaugural post that he was excited to "dedicate my whole brain to building a bunch of really cool stuff on my own terms, without having to get permission from any publisher to make it."
Substack framed this as an investment in talent, pouring money into an industry where creators say that they aren't earning much. But people who work in comics have seen this happen before, and sources told Motherboard that they are unsure the kinds of deals that the biggest names in comics have made with Substack will benefit other people in the industry much, if at all.
"Every once in a while an outfit will show up just with millions burning holes in their pockets, and they will absolutely be the coolest kid in the room for two, three years. They will pay huge amounts to fan favorites to produce work," C. Spike Trotman, founder and editor of independent comics publisher Iron Circus, told Motherboard. "More often than they don't, they reach the bottom of the war chest and they kind of drop out of sight. They sink beneath the waves. I'm not going to say that's what's going to happen to Substack, I don't know their financial situation. But it's not an unfamiliar phenomenon."
Multiple surveys of comic book writers, pencilers, inkers, colorists, and letterers show how bad the underlying problem is. According to an industry survey from Fair Page Rates, which surveyed 123 creators in 2015, Marvel offered an average rate of $81.43 per page for writers, and $372 for line art. DC's breakdown was broadly similar, at $111 for writers and $352 for line art. In a 2017 Creator Resource Survey, the average rate per page for writing at Marvel was $60, and the average page rate for line art was $173. DC fared slightly better, with an average of $99 per page of writing, though there wasn't enough data to determine an average rate for line art. (These low rates mean that the production of comics art for even major companies is in many cases essentially subsidized by the artists' relatively lucrative sales of their original, physical art.) 
Motherboard reached out to Marvel and DC to ask about the rates they pay for art and writing, but they did not respond in time for publication.
Are you a comic book creator? Has your work been used for movies or TV? We'd love to talk to you. You can reach Gita Jackson by email at [email protected], or securely over Signal at +1 267 713 9832.
Multiple sources told Motherboard that in the time since those surveys, not a lot has changed. One artist, who asked to remain anonymous because they still work in the industry, provided art for a popular licensed intellectual property on a work-for-hire basis and said that they were paid $170 per page. They said that each page took from six to eight hours. Assuming one keeps an eight hour work day, for a full day of work, pay at this rate works out to $21.25 an hour. Because this work is for hire, it means this artist also has to deal with all the economic difficulties of not having a regular salaried job.
"Because comics are SO labor intensive, it's hard to balance multiple comics gigs, and so often folks have to find alternate revenue sources like Patreon or Twitch or making prints & merchandise (which is all still laborious), or relying on employed partners," this artist said. "And since cons couldn't be a thing during the pandemic, that was also a huge loss of income for a lot of people."
Substack's entrance into the field—and that of rivals, should any decide to join the fray—may or may not lead to direct increases in income for writers and artists. It will, though, do something to address another central problem in the industry, one that has long contributed to the success of independent publishers like Image.
One consequence of doing work for hire is that ultimately, what you produce doesn't belong to you—in a literal sense, writers and artists for major publishers generally don't own the characters they're writing and drawing. Superman is owned by DC, and Spider-Man is owned by Marvel, even if I write stories about them on the company's behalf, and that's almost invariably still true even if I invent new friends and foes for them. Writers like Ed Brubaker, who created the Winter Soldier featuring in the eponymous Falcon and Winter Soldier show, get little more than token recognition when their creations are turned into derivative properties, even ones featuring in movies grossing billions. A check in the area of $5,000—reportedly what Marvel creators are paid when their inventions are used in movies—does not reflect the work he put into what is now a popular, and lucrative, character for Marvel and its parent company Disney, or its value. But comics corporations have no obligation to offer more. If you want to write about the characters you grew up reading, you don't have a lot of leverage—there are so many other writers and artists who grow up with the same dream.
Original and new creations also fall prey to this system. In December of last year, Disney announced a show based on RiRi Williams, a young Black girl who builds her own Iron Man-style suit. The character was popularized by Eve L. Ewing, who wrote the Ironheart series, whose assistant told Motherboard, "She does not retain any rights pertaining to Ironheart nor is she expecting any additional compensation from the forthcoming Disney+ show."
One-sided work arrangements don't only affect writers and artists economically, but creatively. Imagine you're a writer at Marvel, and you have a great idea for an arc. Your bosses love this idea so much they cancel the book you've been working on—after only 10 issues—so you can concentrate on turning your pitch into a huge event. During an already bittersweet moment, you have to rush a final issue of your book out the door, and the final product includes things you didn't write, some of which end up becoming a minor scandal. 
In a recent podcast with Leah Williams, writer for the recently canceled X-Factor book and writer for the upcoming Trial of Magneto, she describes this happening to her. She also says at the end of the day, Marvel has the right to use its intellectual property in this way.
"X-Factor #10 was kind of my first experience learning how little control I have. There are pages I didn't write and were added to the issue after the fact. There was dialogue I didn't write. I kind of found out around the same time readers did," Williams said. "This is a huge company, this is their IP and they're allowed to do that kind of thing without me being involved in the process."
That's the reality for many people working on comics—when you work for Marvel or DC, the things you create aren't owned by you, and what becomes of them is ultimately dictated by a myriad of forces outside of your control. And even for the most successful creators, it's hard to access the fruits of your success. Marvel and DC use their characters to tell stories about justice, heroism, and, increasingly, righting historical wrongs. The fact that the increasingly diverse creators who tell them get the same old treatment seems like an ever-more glaring blind spot.
Correction: Due to an editorial error, this story initially referred to Ironheart as Eve Ewing's creation; Brian Michael Bendis created the character.
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hellyeahheroes · 7 years ago
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@keeper-of-the-lore has found a recent sale on ComiXology, hundreds of collections for 0.89 $, including:
- Spider-Men II, Spider-Man: Miles morales vol.3 and Spider-Gwen vol.4
- Black Panther & the Crew
- Multiple volumes of X-Men: Blue and X-men: Gold
- All-New Wolverine vol.4 and 5
- Weapons of Mutant Destruction and World’s Collide crossovers
- First volumes of 2017 Generation X, Iceman, Secret Warriors, Black Bolt and America
- Vision: the Complete Collection
- vol.2 of  Waid’s Avengers, Ewing’s U.S. Avengers, The Ultimates 2, Invincible Iron Man: Ironheart: Riri Williams, Hawkeye, Doctor Strange & the Sorcerers Supreme, the Unstoppable Wasp and Champions
- 4th volume of Gwenpool and Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur
- Cloak & Dagger: Runaways & Reversals
- 6th Volume of Unbeatable Squirrel Girl
- the Immortal Iron Fists
- Machine Teen
So pick them up, buy as many as you can and show your love for these titles.
- Admin
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machsabre · 7 years ago
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My thoughts on The Last Jedi and fandoms in general. (No spoilers.)
Happy Christmas folks.
I’m gonna talk a bit about Star Wars here, and just fandoms in general. And I’m sure this may be a bit controversial, but quite frankly… I don’t care anymore.
First of all, earlier tonight I saw the Last Jedi, and I really liked the movie. In fact, I have to see it again a few more times to be sure, but it may be my favorite Star Wars movie ever. Or at least second place to Empire Strikes Back. (It’s not my favorite Star Wars story. Oh no, that honor goes right to Star Wars: Rebels.) I’ll remain mostly spoiler-free here, so if you haven’t seen it, don’t worry. I won’t ruin it for you, like most of the events were ruined for me, because of certain fanboys and their whining.
And that’s what I wanted to talk about. In the last few years, I’ve seen various fandoms of mine turn into the biggest, whiniest group of crybabies I have ever seen and usually over nothing. And before you say, “That’s how fandoms are!” I’m 42 years old and I’m going to chose my words as specifically and effectively here, so you understand that I am not being hyperbolic in any way:
In 1997, there was less bitching and whining about Batman and Robin than there is toward The Last Jedi.
It seems nothing can come out now without being criticized and nitpicked apart to the point of… Well… Pointlessness. Movies, comics, games, toys, TV shows, books… Whatever.
Rey’s a Mary Sue! (Despite the fact, so was Luke. And Anakin.)
There’s a black Stormtrooper! (Despite the fact that all clone troopers were based on Jango Fett, who wasn’t white either.)
Mad Max: Fury Road isn’t even about Mad Max! (Despite the fact that none but the very first Mad Max movie has been about Max.)
A black guy is Captain America. (Despite the fact that it’s Sam “The Falcon” Wilson, which is the equivalent of Dick Grayson becoming Batman.)
Thor’s a woman now! (Despite the fact that other people have wielded Mjolnir before, including Eric Masterson, Jake Olsen, Beta Ray Bill, ect…)
Iron Man’s a black girl now! (Despite the fact that Riri’s actually called IronHEART, and Tony Stark is just temporarily incapacitated and a big ass backdoor is right there for his revival.)
SJW and Feminism is ruining Marvel Comics sales! (Despite the fact that Marvel had no less than THREE major poorly conceived company-wide crossovers that were forced upon various books for no damn reasons. But sure, let’s blame Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur.)
There’s an all female Ghostbusters! (Despite the fact that the movie wasn’t worse than Ghostbusters 2. And in fact, the IDW comics proves the idea is actually really good. Just the movie was kinda weak.)
Ocean’s 8 is just feminists ruining a good movie! (Despite the fact that Ocean’s 12 and 13 were pretty craptacular.)
Blizzard keeps trying to appease the SJWs! (Despite the fact that dudebros seemed to love Tracer before you found out that she was a lesbian.)
Hasbro keeps shoving Windblade down our throats! (Despite the fact that she won the fan vote, and we kind of created her. And she’s actually a really good character.)
Star Trek has a bunch of black captains and gay people on it! (H-have you… Have you SEEN Star Trek before?)
The 13th Doctor’s going to be a woman now! (Look, the ONLY problem with Jodie Whittaker is that we’re going to lose Capaldi in return. THAT’S IT. We’ll get over it!)
INSERT RANDOM BITCHING ABOUT FANDOM HERE THAT I’M NOT AWARE OF.
We have an immature man-child for a President. We have a Congress that seems to legitimately not care about it’s people. We have almost half a society of people using this as an excuse to be racist, homophobic, xenophobic and just all around assholes to everyone. The environment is all messed up, and the people making policies are pretending that the EPA are the bad guys. We just had a serious election where a goddamned pedophile almost won an election. (Oh sorry. Ephebophilie. My bad. That’s oh SOOO much better!) We’re condemning black men kneeling on a football field for protesting cops shooting them, while we praise FUCKING NAZIS as “very fine people”. Puerto Rico is barely recovering from being an uninhabitable island, because we wanted to send more money to what will be a totally ineffective wall…
And they’re bitching about Porgs.
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I’m tired. I’m so tired. 2017 has actually broken me. And I just don’t have it in me anymore to get broken up over things like this anymore.
*deep breath* I like Rey. And Finn. And Rose. And especially Poe Dameron. I think Kylo Ren is an interesting villain. Visually, story wise and just in general. There are things in this movie I cannot talk about, because of spoilers. (But really, that bit with Vice Admiral Holdo and the transport cruiser? Holy shit, that was amazing!) I think it was an amazing movie and I cannot wait to see what is in store for us in Episode IX. MY Star Wars trilogy ended 30 years ago. This new trilogy isn’t for the next generations after mine. No, that was the Prequels. This trilogy is for the ones AFTER the Millennials. This is THEIR Star Wars. My opinion means shit.
I loved The Last Jedi. And that’s it. (PS: Using “SJW” non-ironically really doesn’t make sound like anything but a raving neckbeard. You may want to develop a new term to use.)
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amazing-comic-books · 7 years ago
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Generations - Iron Man & Ironheart (2017) (wiki)
James Rogers and the Next Avengers
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foureyedfreezy · 7 years ago
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How Marvel can improve Riri Williams
 1.) Remake her origin story
What divided Iron-Man fans is how the story erased Tony’s existence for Riri’s introduction. It started off naturally by Tony discovering Riri after seeing her fly her homemade suit then decide to train her. 
-Invincible Iron-Man v.2 #12
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But then Civil War II happen; Tony falls into a coma forcing Riri to learn to be a hero by herself. She has the A.I. persona of Tony, but it’s not as good as the original hero mentoring the next one. Legacies are common among superhero stories, but how Invincible Iron-Man present Riri was too awkward for Iron-Man fans to give her a chance. The good news is Tony Stark is returning as Iron-Man and he and Riri will work beside each other in Marvel: Generations. Hopefully, Marvel will give Riri the proper character development as a protege should. 
2.) Make her relatable. 
Riri is a fifteen-year-old girl, but nothing in her story reminds us of that. Other than she tells her friend Natalie she likes cartoons, Riri does not do anything that kids do. She rarely socializes with other children, she does not have hobbies, she does not have personal problems outside being a hero. All we see her do is work, pre and post Ironheart. I think because Riri is a genius, Marvel decides she can’t act like a child but a mini adult or a robot. 
-Invincible Iron-Man v.3 #1
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-Invincible Iron-Man v.3 #8
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Even the story says so itself. 
-Invincible Iron-Man v.3 #5
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Moon Girl is deemed the smartest person in the universe, and yet her story shows us that she is a little girl with child-like wonder. Miles Morales, Kamala Khan, Sam Alexander, and teen Peter Parker have their stories where they balance their superhero careers with their personal life. They deal with things like school, dating, bullying, family, hobbies, etc. There’s nothing like that in Riri’s story for young people to connect to. And since Riri is supposed to market to kids and teens, that’s a problem. 
3.) Represent culture and social issues. 
Whether we like it or not, politics play an essential part in comics. They have been since the presentations World War I and II. There’s no reason for Riri’s story to highlight social and political topics. With movements like Black Lives Matter, Say Her Name, and Black Girl Magic, this would have been the perfect opportunity for Riri’s story to show the readers what it is like to be black in America. What made Ms. Marvel great was how it educated the readers about Pakistani culture, racism, Islam, islamphobia, and overall issues
-Ms. Marvel (2016) #1
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-Ms. Marvel v. 4 #6
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Unfortunately, we don’t see similar things in Riri’s story. She does not experience any form of discrimination. Instead, Riri has to ask white people to be racist towards her in order for her to be a great black scientist.
-Invincible Iron-Man v.3 #8
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That scene earned an explosion of hate towards Riri. They are even accusations that she is a “sociopath” and a potential villain. But the real reason this happened because the Invincible Iron-Man writers made a mistake because none of them know anything about black people. Writers need to be very careful of how they write people of color. Media plays a huge part of how society treats people of color in real life. Riri Williams is already attracting attention as being a black girl in STEM with a popular brand like Iron-Man. That scene with Riri and her teacher only taught readers that anti-blackness and misogynoir aren't real and black women do nothing but play the victim, which is far from the truth. 
Not to mention, Ms. Marvel surrounded by people of color who support her. Same for Miss America. 
-Ms. Marvel #6
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But we barely see other people of color in Invincible Iron-Man. Rhodey is dead, Lila Rhodes disappeared, her best friend and stepfather was murdered, Miles Morales only shows up as a cameo, and Nick Fury talked to her once and then she ignores him. Aside from her mother, the story isolated Riri from forming bonds with black people. There are no other black people to educate her on her culture, there are no other black people supporting her as a black female scientist. She was invited to be part of the Champions, a teen superhero group of kids of color and LGBT children. But we haven’t seen Riri talk to the Champions since unless it's connected to the controversial Secret Empire. 
Diversity is not an issue, new ideas are a great thing. But how Riri Williams backstory is handled poorly. The story alienated both traditional Iron-Man fans and new readers which is why her comic is failing. Will Marvel take these corrections? Only time will tell.
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Generations: Iron Man & Ironheart (2017) #1 - Brian Michael Bendis & Various Artists
“I might be hallucinating.”
The only Tony Riri can hug is her future Tony. And heart is broken.
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